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p1um5mu991er
04-20-2009, 04:07 PM
most of us are aware of the fact that cars lost his old account stats due to the fact that his ps3 passed away. this presents a problem, because we all know that he is a phenomenal and perennial level 20 guy. there are quite of few people out there who have suffered the same fate who might also want old statistics included. that opens the door to those of us who have second accounts (g0) with stats that are technically produced by the same person. i've got something like 16/17 wins and 60% pod on LeftMaybe.

i'm currently undecided about it, so i need the 20s help. please post something if you're a 20 so i can figure it out and post stuff that everyone can "pretty much" agree on other than how i created the power ranking itself. i'm still taking suggestions on how to do it so feel free to speak up.

interyernan
04-20-2009, 04:19 PM
Just to give you some info, we are hoping that we can get his save file off the old drive at some point and bring it back to life.
I know i'm not a level 20 but i do know:

if he wins a G0 with this current account his online ranking will reset back to 1 win

if we bring back his old account and he gets win 72 it will reset the figure and show 72 wins again.

I've got a couple more options left in trying to get that save file out but am waiting back from a friend on a bit more information.

p1um5mu991er
04-21-2009, 09:08 AM
that would be great if something like that could happen, especially since there are others that have had similar issues.

Airscoots
04-21-2009, 09:30 AM
Not trying to create a problem, but if you think about it there are a lot of people who restarted their account. Do you add all of their bad tournaments in to hurt their % (ie Ogiceman).

Just do what you want, it will never be accurate since many ppl had multiple accounts.

yunatidus4ever
04-21-2009, 09:30 AM
I know I am not level 20 but go with your gut instincts, and what you think would be fair for everyone involved. You know me, always gotta put my 2cents in when it comes to fairness!!! ;)

MasonR
04-21-2009, 09:45 AM
Scoots makes a very good point, many of us have never had a second account and have literally every game ever played recorded on that single account. I'm not faulting anyone for having a second account, but some people's numbers might be inflated because they made a breakthrough after several hundred games and then started a new account. There might also be people missing out on a few wins here and there because they had a quasi-alt account that they played with sparingly but never got rid of. I mean if I started a new account and blasted out 25 wins in 40 games and then sat on those stats some people might get annoyed, reasonably so, it's no different from anyone who wiped their record at one point.


It makes things world more difficult for everyone involved, considering just how many accounts some players have had. If it's at all possible we should include all accounts people have played with. If we don't have the exact numbers, do our best job to figure out what those numbers were at the time he lost the account, and make an accurate estimate.

Also down the line I think we might need to address the issue of people flat out resetting their stats on their account, if any notable account hacks reach Level 20, that is. Possibly leave them out of the rankings entirely, or asterisk next to their names.


I'm all for allowing Cars to use his old statistics, but I think we should get old stats from players like OGICEMAN as well.

I think it'd be cool see some Minna power rankings too.

p1um5mu991er
04-21-2009, 11:35 AM
agree with scoot/yuna/mace.

it's tough, you know? luckily for me, my 2nd acct. stats are extremely similar to my main account (~20%win,~60%pod). but there is no question that there is AT LEAST one 20 with multiple past accounts that would most definitely skew their main acct. if all stats were included.

i think we can all agree that these statistics are kind of stupid/silly and don't necessarily reflect each person's performance. it's just a goof that i decided to put some time into because i'm a tool and think that the numbers are fun to interpret. all 20s know who the best players are at this point, but it may change over time, and the rankings i put up will most likely reflect that.

90% possibility that i will compile cars' stats as kind of a "grandfathering" move and not allow other accounts to be included in the future. we just have to go with what stats current lvl 20 accounts have and go from there.

i was thinking about what a disaster it would be for me to get every 20 with multiple accts. to show up in the lobby with each.

solution? hey, LeftMaybe is less than a dozen wins away from level 20. if i really gave a crap i would use that account to get to 30 wins so that account could be included. but that's just dumb. if someone else wants to do that, go for it.

MasonR
04-21-2009, 12:12 PM
Yeah, they are just for a good laugh and everything, and realistically everything is settled on the course. After all is said and done most of the 20s know where everyone else stands, but I'm so anal about stats that it gets to me every now and then when someone resets their account or creates a second account for better stats. Not saying that's the reason for everyone, but it certainly is for some people.

And at least there's no way to circumvent the wins category. ;)

p1um5mu991er
04-21-2009, 12:16 PM
exactly.

think you got that covered for "a while" lol

Scotty9678
04-21-2009, 12:19 PM
hey plum, maybe you know this...maybe not. But you can see peoples stats as long as they are online at the time. You go to the leaderboards and press the L3 (control stick in) and then you can select anyone, if they are online you can see there stats...you then can also jump to wherever they are...

I didn't know about this until about a week ago...

And yeah, your stats are really just for fun, so don't stress them so much. Include Cars cause he's the man :)

The-Dreamcaster
04-21-2009, 12:20 PM
lol.
i'm still undecided. but i still picked there should be no exceptions.
i'm a tough nut. as great as cars is, nice guy too, why should the exception be made for him?

p1um5mu991er
04-21-2009, 12:26 PM
kind veteran with a known reputation.

The-Dreamcaster
04-21-2009, 12:28 PM
hmm. that he is.. but still.
you were right others probably wanting the same kinda chance..
it would kinda make it unfair.. but i suppose his PS3 breaking is unfair as well..

i can't really decide..

Roughdawg4
04-21-2009, 12:29 PM
By leaving him there it maintains accuracy :)

MasonR
04-21-2009, 12:37 PM
I really don't see why we shouldn't allows cars to keep his numbers, it's not like anyone has been denied their numbers since this all started, right? He wouldn't be an exception, he'd be setting precedent for anyone who gets screwed as well.

That all being said, I've been saying for a while now to BACK UP YOUR SAVE FILE! There's no excuse not to do it.

J-Mod
04-21-2009, 12:51 PM
Silly question: Does backing up your game save data also save your online stats?

Thanks to Minna, I know that saving and transferring these files via a USB thumb drive is actually quite easy. But I thought it was just for your personal game stats, videos, player loyalties, etc. I thought that Sony kept the online tourney records separate. Obviously, Sony stores your G0 wins on a server somewhere because I can see anybody's wins on the HSG Leaderboard even if they aren't logged in. You'd think they could store all the other numbers as well.
Also, why hasn't anybody figured out how to hack those save files to manipulate their stats? It seems entirely possible that somebody could figure out the code, upload their new save files, and then log back in with 500 wins.

cartman1337
04-21-2009, 12:53 PM
Silly question: Does backing up your game save data also save your online stats?


Yes, it does.

Roughdawg4
04-21-2009, 01:01 PM
Yeah mason makes a good point, if cars is allowed the rest of you would be as well. So remember about that guy we call KARMA

Scotty9678
04-21-2009, 01:12 PM
Silly question: Does backing up your game save data also save your online stats?

Thanks to Minna, I know that saving and transferring these files via a USB thumb drive is actually quite easy. But I thought it was just for your personal game stats, videos, player loyalties, etc. I thought that Sony kept the online tourney records separate. Obviously, Sony stores your G0 wins on a server somewhere because I can see anybody's wins on the HSG Leaderboard even if they aren't logged in. You'd think they could store all the other numbers as well.
Also, why hasn't anybody figured out how to hack those save files to manipulate their stats? It seems entirely possible that somebody could figure out the code, upload their new save files, and then log back in with 500 wins.


If someone had the desire, yes...someone likely could hack a save to read certain statistics, then come online (remember when the leaderboards first came we all had to sit there for half a second while they uploaded) and poof they'd have 200 wins too. At least I think so, tell me this - does it still say Cars has 70+ wins on the leaderboard or is it his new number?

MasonR
04-21-2009, 03:19 PM
Cars' 70ish wins won't be overwritten on the board until he wins a G0.

As for online stats, your save file is marked with your PSN account, so if you upload a save from another account it gets overwritten, but if you upload your own save it'll pop up with the stats you had at the time of the save. This is how some people reset their stats after a bad day/week/month/500 games.

Hackers would be immediately sniffed out and crucified though, especially on HSG, our community is quite small and you could Six Degrees of Separation one person to just about anyone else. Even if someone was being careful about it they wouldn't amount any G0 success without being found out.

Scotty9678
04-21-2009, 06:11 PM
makes me wonder about some of the JPN accounts a bit to be honest...

the_smug_one
04-21-2009, 06:16 PM
makes me wonder about some of the JPN accounts a bit to be honest...


I've long suspected that second/third/tenth accounts were common in Minna. Way too many G0s over there with (seemingly) way too few games played.

MasonR
04-22-2009, 12:08 AM
There are plenty of well-known save-reset players as well over there, even though they're damn good to begin with they feel the need to alter their online tournament stats. Total wins, pbs, and leaderboard scores are pretty much what I look at when snooping through profiles.

rinoshark
04-22-2009, 12:29 AM
i seen a guy, he had like all the same numbers on his pb list. on minna. like all -17. weird

rinoshark
04-22-2009, 12:33 AM
cars could get 80 wins by the end of this month

Kevin01SH
05-22-2009, 10:10 AM
if you combine cars's stats (which im in favor of), then you should do everyone like that. only problem is, it would be a major hassle having to ask everyone for their other names/stats. unless you're just super motivated plum, i dunno. if it were me i'd be wanting to get paid to do all that work haha...

good job though, i always look forward to your rankings

the_smug_one
05-22-2009, 10:23 AM
Nice timely reply to a current issue Kev.

Oh, and my second account is Urrrdone, so please combine away.

p1um5mu991er
05-22-2009, 10:24 AM
probably an ok idea, kev. i would like to see cars try to fix his ps3 the way that i did. either way, i'm sure he'll be around.

interyernan
05-22-2009, 10:29 AM
Best give him your address then P1um and you can sort it for him. ;)

Post another vid of you doing it as well i want to see more of the house of lights.

OthersGirl
05-22-2009, 10:51 AM
Nice timely reply to a current issue Kev.

Oh, and my second account is Urrrdone, so please combine away.


ROFLMFAO Yep -- the date from last post was LAST month. Guess my kevvy missed the boat on that one. SILLY KEVIN lololol

:-)

And LMFAO smug, urrrdone eh? lol. Okay -- well, you know, in that case -- why am I not on the list? I'm level 20! RinoShark. Yep. Oh, and file it under OthersGirl because I prefer my pinkhair avatar. Thanks.

too funny.

Kevin01SH
05-22-2009, 11:27 AM
Nice timely reply to a current issue Kev.




hey smug, we landed on the moon...

http://fearandarrogance.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/dumb-and-dumber-man-walks-on-moon.png

J-Mod
05-22-2009, 11:49 AM
LOL. Priceless.

cars123456789
05-22-2009, 11:56 AM
lol bro

Roughdawg4
05-22-2009, 03:20 PM
I guess we can always vote on each one case by case, really its down to you plum. You are the man with the plan :)