Why the japanese are so good.

[Frozen_Walkers]

I just got demoted to G2 after zero win in G1 on Minna. I thought I'd be back to G1 in a few games but no no no those G2s are kicking my butt. I mean, most of them can hit -20 on 18H in any tour with almost any rules. So why are they so good? can we analyze this, maybe a fun theories? why the japanese players are so good?

My guess is they eat less fast food. :'(

[Elektropop]

Since they see playing as the economical and unselfish alternative for suicide..

[The-Dreamcaster]

Since they see playing as the economical and unselfish alternative for suicide..


lol. because they had the game 6 months longer than us, and probs play considerably more.

[Megaman80]

it has nothing to do with having 6 months before us, may be in the very start, but not anymore...

[gypsyball]

Or they have no sex life, that's why the female golfer in that game are a little.......... uh................. working girl looking. I think that's clean for this forum. ???

[kumanzc]

There school system is very focused on math and using a rote system of learning. Not great for developing creativity but coincidentally great for playing HSG.

[KRONZZZ]

Yeah they are quite good indeed .. Im just about at g0 finally just need one pod in 6 games :) But i recall g2 being like g1 over here if not a tab better even. G1 is pretty much g0 here where you miss a shot or two and its game over!

[gypsyball]

Yeah they are quite good indeed .. Im just about at g0 finally just need one pod in 6 games :) But i recall g2 being like g1 over here if not a tab better even. G1 is pretty much g0 here where you miss a shot or two and its game over!

Is our G3 like G2 in Japan?

[KRONZZZ]

Our g2 is easily g3 over there if not there g3s being even better then our g2s lol

[yunatidus4ever]

I have never even made G1 on Minna. I actually flip flop between g2 and g3. I have a new master plan tho. Quit playing highland and Oki on Minna. The g2's got those DOWN. It is like a g0 tournament on those courses. Now if I just stick with the other courses, especially crown, I think I could finally get to g1!!!

[gypsyball]

Thanks for the heads up, wish my copy of Minna would get here soon.

[interyernan]

I find it depends on what course and conditions you play in. If you go highland, okinawa, euro - DON'T MISS no matter what grade you play.

Generally i would say there G1 is on par with our G0 but not quite as good as some of our better players. Due to the promotion, demotion system you'll almost always play against and lvl 17,18, 19, 20 in an G1 so you gotta bring an A game. I've not pplayed Minna for a bit i got up to G1 and played a few games and then our server changed. I would say i would jump between G0 and G1 depending on my mood of play.

The main peice of advice that i can give anyone who wants to try Minna - play in the tournaments and with the players that you feel most comfortable with. If you like a certain character and course go with those to get your feet wet. Just becouse you see a tournament with 40 people at a course you don't like with a character that you may not necessarily use don't go in for it until you're playing really well. You'll just frustrate yourself seeing people pull of wondr rounds with characters like Maruyama, LJ, Sonia.

[yunatidus4ever]

Thanks for the heads up, wish my copy of Minna would get here soon.


When it arrives, look forward to 4-6 hours of updates....... :o

[gypsyball]

Thanks for the heads up, wish my copy of Minna would get here soon.


When it arrives, look forward to 4-6 hours of updates....... :o

Not looking forward to that, but it will be something different.

[Frozen_Walkers]

Great advise Inter and Yuna. 2 pars in Okinawa = no pod. My only chances are in Crown and Grex. They [ japanese G2 G1] seems weak on those courses. I pod 3rd on crown 18reg intmd, there were 20 people in that tour.

[KRONZZZ]

Absolutely 110% stay away from those tours .. even safari unless your feeling hot. All my pods but 1 in g1 have come from Peaks, Rex and Crown besides one at euro where i just felt i was in the zone that day and thankfully i was :)

[Frozen_Walkers]

Problem is most G2 only play on those courses. They are good and everyone agree but compare to North America and Euro players I think we [ Euro and N America ] are more brave when come to playing on tough courses.
Skills japanese + 1
Bravery The rest of the world + 2

[clint_westwood]

well if you ever make it to g0 then these guys can play crowns/peaks you better believe it .

[interyernan]

Kronzzz is right about the "zonal" part of your play though. My best G1 win on Minna came in a Rough +2 at Safari LT. Everything stuck for me that round I shot a -21 and won by 4 shots over some chump called.......Cars123456789 - whoever that bloke is. Best thing was Unseen and Reeja made up 4 of the other 10 top spots so it really was Ownage on our part.

If anyone does get to G0 make sure you play in a tournament with Mace - he tends to put on a bit of a spectacle when playing with the guys from our server and gets a win. If memory servers Clint was his pet good luck charm 3 times in one block a while back.

[Frozen_Walkers]

oh yeah I do believe the higher level players are superb on all courses but compare to the rest of the world you'd see G2 on our server would enter crown link while the japanese players [ G2 G3 ] would wait for Highland or Okinawa.
A possible theory is the japanese players take one course at a time. repetition repetition til they mastered it.

[clint_westwood]

yeah when i was g3 g2 in minna i wanted to play crowns and peaks but your right they hogged highlands etc.....so you had no choice but to join them >:(

i think they are brave though, cos i won a few g1 tours easily with ruff/bunker +2 .......i think they go all out attack

[KRONZZZ]

Clints right and to add to it they love to chip for risers alot, its a pnts game alot of the time for sure

[pinktacoshmaz]

the physiological reason they're better is that the japanese are a small people, making them more adept at quick motions, which is crucial in most every video game.

[Roughdawg4]

the physiological reason they're better is that the japanese are a small people, making them more adept at quick motions, which is crucial in most every video game.


Wait what ? How does that help in video games?

[Frozen_Walkers]

the physiological reason they're better is that the japanese are a small people, making them more adept at quick motions, which is crucial in most every video game.


But they are not very good at FPS [ compare to their golf game ] I don't think a person's size got anything to do with it tho. care to explain in detail? ???

[Roughdawg4]

Yeah thats what I want to know as well, what does size have to do with video games :)

[pinktacoshmaz]

Yeah thats what I want to know as well, what does size have to do with video games :)
re-read it then. quick movements are good for getting pi. smaller ppl will generally have quicker hands. as for fps's, i have no idea

[Roughdawg4]

I just wasn't sure if that statement was really true or not. :)


If it is, then I stand corrected. I just have never heard anything like that before. I just believe the statement that Japan is straight up smarter than us :)

[MasonR]

I would contend that it's not a PI issue, but instead a combination of game mechanics and math issue. The more you know...*rainbow*

[gypsyball]

Is this why they have their own server ???

[Roughdawg4]

I honestly don't know why they have their own server since OT2 shares a server. Unless because they got it so far in advance, they gave us our own so we started on our own learning curve.

[Boosnickerty]

I think one explanation is that there are so many more people playing the game in Japan. When you have more people playing the game, the odds that more of them are good also go up.

[Roughdawg4]

I think one explanation is that there are so many more people playing the game in Japan. When you have more people playing the game, the odds that more of them are good also go up.


The simpliest explanation is always a good one :)

[lob]

no way..im with pink on this one. its all in those small hands. not good for fps as not so good at flexing for the r2/l2. also terrible at guitar hero. fact.

[Scotty9678]

Made it to g0 for the 5th time this morning, have 11 g1 wins and I think near 70 pods in 280+ g1 games (yeah, I like playing there more)

ANYWAY - there are several things you should remember for your OWN game.

#1 Worry about yourself. Just play. In general I've always noticed I played better the less I socialized so Minna is perfect for me. No need to chit chat, no need to say "nbs" on every hole. Just you and the course.

#2 MAX the characters. Mace said this wasn't a big deal, I completely disagree with him on this, sorry Mace but we are NOT you. Normal humans need every advantage we can get and MAXING as many characters loyalty as you can helps.

#3 Once again I disagree with someone else. I pod on every course, pretty sure I've won on them too. I LOVE to play the odd characters, they seem to really dislike Fernando, Kratos, Sackboy and a few other character specific tours, if you see one of those. Play it.

#4 Just know they have favorites too. Jasmine, Alex, Anya and Gloria instantly come to mind. They'll book these in crappy conditions over other characters in clean conditions.

#5 This is a little cheap, but I noticed it. Play during off peak hours for them. Less Mace like robots to play against.

#6 Make sure you know the rules.

#7 Don't stress it. :) I have several better personal bests (-17 Crown LT and -18 on Peaks RT for example) on Minna then HSG and I think it's cause I play it more like I play game rooms, I DON'T STRESS IT.

I think it's really a state of mind. Although there are way more of the better players on Minna, since I don't know who they are - I don't over think it, when I play on HSG and I see certain people I psyche myself out A LOT of the time. Maybe that's my own personal issue, but I was never psyched out by playing on Minna. Sounds like some of you are.

But what do I know, I also got demoted to g2 twice from g1... :)

[Frozen_Walkers]

yeah agree with Scooty. the less you yapping the more you focus.

[gypsyball]

Maybe its the Japanese diet that helps then to do so well in Minna.

[Frozen_Walkers]

I did say they eat less fast food didn't I? ;)

Math. got to be their skill in Math and maybe they are more relax, I mean after all, they have more porn vending machine than we have 7-11 in their country.

[Roughdawg4]

I also assume video games originated from there as well?

[gypsyball]

I also assume video games originated from there as well?

Hmmm, that could give them an advantage of being the best!

[KRONZZZ]

Scotty makes some great points, especially regarding not getting all worked up like on our server when you see the the lore, maces and plums in the tour and no your gonna have to have a hell of a round to even pod. Its just you and the ps3, and not understanding what they write is a hidden bonus as well, and like Scotty said there is no need for the nbs or ul to be said unless your playing with a pal from here. I to have better PB'S on minna to i dont really no why but i play better on HSG for the most part and tend to choke more on MInna lol .. Cant wait to get to g0 for a few games because i no unless i play like a robot ill be back in g1 quick enough.. There is no shame in being a g1 on there server its pretty much a g0 here as there demotion system is not near as relaxed and you will be playing with top level g0's in g1 tours everytime.

[Optimus_Prime]

Actually, Americans created the first computer and video games. Many, many different people, but all American. [Baer was born in Germany for all the Germany fans out there. ;D]

The most well known or influential first games:

Tennis for Two (1958, William Higinbotham): used an oscilloscope
Spacewar! (1961, Steve Russell and others at MIT): first widely known computer game
"Brown Box" (1966, Ralph Baer): First system to display games on a TV; eventually licensed to Magnavox to become the first video game system--the Magnavox Odyssey (1972)
Pong (1972, Nolan Bushnell and Atari): first popular arcade game, though Bushnell had to settle a lawsuit from Magnavox in which they claimed it too closely resembled their tennis game on the Odyssey

Ralph Baer is considered the father of videogames (not Bushnell, though he did more to popularize them than anyone) because of his design of the "Brown Box" and patents regarding it (which royalties went to his employers and not to him, I believe). Baer also invented the light gun in 1967, which would be used later with the Odyssey. Atari (an American company) released the Atari VCS (2600) in 1977, one year after the Fairchild VES was the first system to use ROM cartridges (the first Magnavox Odyssey only had games programmed into it).

Games from Japanese companies came later, most notably Taito's Space Invaders in 1978 and Namco's Pac-Man in 1980. And of course there was the Nintendo Entertainment System in 1985 which saved the industry from the great videogame crash of 1983 (popularly attributed to the excreble Atari 2600 version of E.T., though that was only the straw that broke the camel's back). The Nintendo Famicom was initially released in Japan in 1983, but companies in the US were wary of licensing it (Nintendo even approached Atari about licensing it), so Nintendo decided to do release it in the US themselves. The rest was history.

Interestingly, Nintendo originally licensed the Magnavox Odyssey for release in Japan in the seventies. They went on to produce their own limited game systems for TVs and handhelds (the latter were the famous Game & Watch series designed by Gameboy inventor, Gunpei Yokoi) before creating the NES (and Gameboy). Shigeru Miyamoto was originally hired around this time to help Yokoi. One last thing to note. Nintendo was founded by Hiroshi Yamauchi as a playing card company. They moved into toys and games in the seventies and Yokoi spearheaded many of their electronic games.

/end history lesson ;D


Note: I used wikipedia for the dates and some of the facts. Much of it I already knew from the books I've read.

[clint_westwood]

Actually, Americans created the first computer and video games. Many, many different people, but all American. 8)

The most well known or influential first games:

Tennis for Two (1958, William Higinbotham): used an oscilloscope
Spacewar! (1961, Steve Russell and others at MIT): first widely known computer game
"Brown Box" (1966, Ralph Baer): First system to display games on a TV; eventually licensed to Magnavox to become the first video game system--the Magnavox Odyssey (1972)
Pong (1972, Nolan Bushnell and Atari): first popular arcade game, though Bushnell had to settle a lawsuit from Magnavox in which they claimed it too closely resembled their tennis game on the Odyssey

Ralph Baer is considered the father of videogames (not Bushnell, though he did more to popularize them than anyone) because of his design of the "Brown Box" and patents regarding it (which royalties went to his employers and not to him, I believe). Baer also invented the light gun in 1967, which would be used later with the Odyssey. Atari (an American company) released the Atari VCS (2600) in 1977, one year after the Fairchild VES was the first system to use ROM cartridges (the first Magnavox Odyssey only had games programmed into it).

Games from Japanese companies came later, most notably Taito's Space Invaders in 1978 and Namco's Pac-Man in 1980. And of course there was the Nintendo Entertainment System in 1985 which saved the industry from the great videogame crash of 1983 (popularly attributed to the excreble Atari 2600 version of E.T., though that was only the straw that broke the camel's back). The Nintendo Famicom was initially released in Japan in 1983, but companies in the US were wary of licensing it (Nintendo even approached Atari about licensing it), so Nintendo decided to do release it in the US themselves. The rest was history.

Interestingly, Nintendo originally licensed the Magnavox Odyssey for release in Japan in the seventies. They went on to produce their own limited game systems for TVs and handhelds (the latter were the famous Game & Watch series designed by Gameboy inventor, Gunpei Yokoi) before creating the NES (and Gameboy). Shigeru Miyamoto was originally hired around this time to help Yokoi. One last thing to note. Nintendo was founded by Hiroshi Yamauchi as a playing card company. They moved into toys and games in the seventies and Yokoi spearheaded many of their electronic games.

/end history lesson ;D


Note: I used wikipedia for the dates and some of the facts. Much of it I already knew from the books I've read.


ok i aint really read much of this to be honest other than first para.

scots created the TV but i would not by a new tv off a scottish company if infact you were to pay for it !!

scots firm made grand theft auto , but other than that nothing, anyway the point is that history is history and its today that matters untill tomorrow

japaneses are just better at games ......the end

[Optimus_Prime]

I have no idea why Japanese players are so good at video games. You could say it's more a part of their (recent) culture than for other parts of the world. But I only posted what I did to clear up some misinformation. Not a national pride sort of thing. So I'll delete my little sunglasses face image so it doesn't seem like it.

[clint_westwood]

nah its cool man the only peeps that could answer this is the japanese

8)

[J-Mod]

Here are my guesses as to why the Japanese are better at video games:

1) They're smarter than most other races.
2) Their country is smaller with fewer activities to do outdoors (more time to spend playing video games).
3) They are very disciplined and willing to do the same action again and again until it is perfected. ("Wax on, wax off," anybody?)
4) They are quite adept at finding shortcuts and ways to cheat in games, and they have no qualms about exploiting these for their advantage. (I'd be willing to bet the Japanese players discovered the rabbit/turtle in days when it took us weeks, maybe months.)

These are just my own random thoughts, and I can't back any of these points up with actual facts. So, feel free to poke holes in any of my arguments. I just wanted to throw in my two cents.

[kumanzc]

Wow,

More of them play and play more often is the reason they are better. If you took Tiger Woods off the shelves and only released HSG then I assure you things would look much different. As I mentioned their education system helps a little for HSG - rote system heavy on math - but there is no secret reasoning out there.

[Roughdawg4]

Here are my guesses as to why the Japanese are better at video games:

1) They're smarter than most other races.
2) Their country is smaller with fewer activities to do outdoors (more time to spend playing video games).
3) They are very disciplined and willing to do the same action again and again until it is perfected. ("Wax on, wax off," anybody?)
4) They are quite adept at finding shortcuts and ways to cheat in games, and they have no qualms about exploiting these for their advantage. (I'd be willing to bet the Japanese players discovered the rabbit/turtle in days when it took us weeks, maybe months.)

These are just my own random thoughts, and I can't back any of these points up with actual facts. So, feel free to poke holes in any of my arguments. I just wanted to throw in my two cents.



LOL I agree with you on all 4. Especially number 3 :)