Worst thing about HSG5

[I hate attys]

IMO, the rabbit & turtle thing is the worst thing about this game. Clap Hanz should have never allowed the rabbit & turtle without allowing the skyball and rocketball for traditional swingers. I don't get it because this game is just like the PSP Open Tee and they even have skyball & rocket on the PSP. I really think the programmers forgot to put it in HSG5 because it's stupid to tack on another 15yd advantage to the advanced swingers. Either they forgot it, or it's their attempt to make everyone switch to advanced because they plan on deleting it in future games. I tried advanced and traditional 50/50 and finished all the challenges and I still average about 65% impact on traditional and 35% on advanced so I'm never going to switch.

P.S. The 2nd worst thing is the Chuckie Cheese-like lobbies with fruity little freaks running around kicking a soccer ball and hopping around like Russian spongefarmers. They should have an over 21 Lobby with a bar, big screen tv's, stripper poles and bouncers. You should be able to throw beer mugs and have the bouncers crack you with a poolstick if you get to close to the dancers.

[bcus28]

Amen brother!!!!!!

I really reall really wish the skyball was available for this game. And I'm talking about the way where you had to hit perfect impact on the outer most parts of the impact area.

So many times I was in a situation where it would've been the best shot for me to hit.

LOL at the over 21 lobby.

[MasonR]

I don't get it because this game is just like the PSP Open Tee and they even have skyball & rocket on the PSP.

Open Tee: 2 doesn't have rocketball or skyball, it employs rabbit/turtles as the special shots. Looks like it's something that they're gonna hang on to.

[ElectroFox]

Worst thing is obviously the same old rules/courses of G0 tournies. Already bored of complaning about this. Guess we'll have to accept it. :'(

[BGunner]

It's about time we had a rant from i h8 attnys!!! ;D Welcome to the trad army, brother.

[GrayBeard45]

Here! Here! nice 2 hear from ya Attys, And ya the 1 shot i had 2 use alot in hsg4 was the skyball too get out of trouble i truely miss that shot.




A.K.A SCOTTHME1

[stillsing]

Biggest complaint ...... hmmmm guess that I'm a G0 trad player for over a month now and have only gotten to play in 3 G0 tournys!!!! F###k You clap hanz. "Adv only rules" is at least 60% of all G0 tournys. Haven't bought Gloria or Alex so there goes 20% more. And of course dont forget the 18% where I am supposed to play Crown links with 255yd drive novice( or intermediate STan/stan) and play w/peeps hittin 270. On any other course the 15yd handicap isn't a problem, but at Crown it is. While I'm on Crown..... am i the only one or is Crown designed for adv players???Seems like the 250-265 yd and the 280-290 yd drive land in very sloped parts of the fairway usually resulting in the ball rollin to the rufff. The 265-280 and 300+ yd drive is much more often the flatter area keeping the ball on the fairway. Maybe its just me....Anyhow...goin to look for my 2% .... Attys glad 2 see ya round ......

[I hate attys]

Glad to see a bunch of the old schoolers back. Your right Ed because all the hard courses give a huge advantage to the advance swing because it's much easier to stay on the fairway. It's so easy to drive the ball straight that it is ridiculous with the adv swing. If HSG really wanted to do an analog swing, they should have modeled one after Tiger Woods PGA Tour and used the analog sticks. Now that took skill to press x button 100mph and using the other hand to control the swing path. I had this technique down with the controller between my knees, clicking "x" furiously and my wife would walk in and think I was doing something else. :o

[mustangman2011]

the worst thing about hsg5 is the forums where ppl get together and complain about stuff but then they end up playing it anyway.



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2nd worst, no teens play it

[Master Beatty]

LMFAO attys welcome aboard. im just glad that people found something other than big cup to complain about i.e. advanced swing. i agree about the skyball issue it was a very handy shot but i have been using adv shot only since i got hsg5 so i havent even tried down@full power and down@perfect impact. the major issue i have w/oob is the perfect impact tee shot that goes 45 degrees off course, thats just forkin stupid. a shot like that can turn a hole in one into a double bogey real quick. and dont gimme no jive about the low control issue because just like cramramdon said, we both used chaos in HSGF and even with his extremely low control the ball never acted the way it does in OOB. hopefully have my ps3 on 12/5/08.
until then have fun and keep playin. MasterBeatty a.k.a GOLFIN GUY

[Roughdawg4]

yeah well bad control will make the ball deviate. Thats why control is so important, its the only stat you have no control over ;D

[I hate attys]

the worst thing about hsg5 is the forums where ppl get together and complain about stuff but then they end up playing it anyway.



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2nd worst, no teens play it


Or maybe the worst thing is when ppl complain about other ppl complaining. It's a rather hypocritical conundrum, eh? BTW, is your name mustangman because you drive a mustang car or a mustang horse like those two dudes on Brokeback Mountain?

[ElectroFox]

2nd worst, no teens play it


Isn't that a complain? And you mean teen girls or teen boys? :-*

[BGunner]

Crown's tough, but there's a shot path on every hole for every level of player and swing type. I'll gladly give any of trad brothers a match play tour of the best shot paths ;) For instance, on the back nine, there's at least 3 holes where trad swingers with less distance should choose the "road less travelled."

No doubt that Crown long tee with Novice std/std is not exactly ideal for trad swingers, but besides long tee, nov std/std in the rain, trad can score well, as long as you are hitting PI, well over 50%.

So, hot pocket-starved attorney hater, drop me a line, and we'll hit the links for some adv swing- bashing discussion and some trad army tactical training.

[yunatidus4ever]

The worst thing in the game is being able to copy your data to another user, and then making mutiple accounts. If you are going to make another account, you should have to start from scratch, and thus players like me won't go evil and crazy on you for taking podiums.

I know a lot of people do it, but that does not make it right.

The good thing is it has been harder for me to get the ultimate goal: becoming a G0. I guess that keeps me more interested in the game so long as I still got a fight, or shall I say, a goal to accomplish.

I understand people wanting to make more accounts, but making them to play for fun and actually taking the podiums is two whole different things, and that leads me to worst thing #2:

Lack of good tourneys for G0, and sometimes G1. There has been times I log on and NO G1 Tourneys for over an hour??? What is that about??? G0 has no variety. Same tourneys, over and over and over....


If we had good tournament selection than there would be more people still interested in playing the game, and we could have a good 300-500 on in prime time. Everyone is leaving. Once they reach G0, they get bored! So thus, make new account, or buy a new game.

The best solution:

Clap handz pay attention to our complaints!!! We need better tournament selection, bring our old pals back to the game!!!

~or~

Purchase minna no golf 5 instead of making additional accounts. Plenty of tournaments, and a whole new challenge awaits you!!! You can play minna when you have no tourneys on HSG, rather than making additional accounts.

~or~ the best solution of all????

Combine the japan server and HSG to one, with language selection chosen when you go online! Then it would be a WONDERFUL game!!!!

Okay, I am done complaining now. ;D

[cartman1337]

You have a lot of good points there, Yuna. :) However, I don't really see the problem in the ability to copy data from one user to another. The online track record will be deleted when doing that. It does help for the players doing it to not have to build up loyalty with the characters again, but that's about it. The best of the best will put up a hell of a fight, no matter the character or loyalty, so having to start a second account with everything from scratch really won't help much with regards to the actual problem at hand; G0's stealing lower grade's pods...

Other than that I completely agree with your points. Next to that I'd say that the biggest problem with this game is the complete lack of official news updates in a timely fashion, or any sort of options of getting in touch with the producers of the game with our complaints...

[clint_westwood]

the worst thing about HSG is for sure...........lets not mince words here........

that wee guy called robg001, the G0 wannabe with the G2 stats ( no offence to G2 chappies)

he is the official HSG keyboard/internet hardman......the laddie has some serious issues with life and i do feel for him at times, the sort of guy who could be rescued by only plumsmuggler!!

this guy is an idiot, abusive, limited intelligence capacity and downright rude not to mention a cheat..........i mean FFS cheating at HSG , thats just complete pointless IMO.

anyway the next time i see him will be too soon.....

hey on a funny note he calls me clint without the the 'N' , now that quality........i guess i would find that insulting if indeed my name was clint haa.........actually maybe thats not an insult at all.....as a clint without the N is a useful thing......so i have been told ;D

anyway he's a wee scrottum and if i lived around the street from him, well this winter he would be wearing his balls as earmuffs

[rowdybusch]

the worst thing about HSG is for sure...........lets not mince words here........

that wee guy called robg001, the G0 wannabe with the G2 stats ( no offence to G2 chappies)

he is the official HSG keyboard/internet hardman......the laddie has some serious issues with life and i do feel for him at times, the sort of guy who could be rescued by only plumsmuggler!!

this guy is an idiot, abusive, limited intelligence capacity and downright rude not to mention a cheat..........i mean FFS cheating at HSG , thats just complete pointless IMO.

anyway the next time i see him will be too soon.....

hey on a funny note he calls me clint without the the 'N' , now that quality........i guess i would find that insulting if indeed my name was clint haa.........actually maybe thats not an insult at all.....as a clint without the N is a useful thing......so i have been told ;D

anyway he's a wee scrottum and if i lived around the street from him, well this winter he would be wearing his balls as earmuffs



;D ROFLMAO
Now I understand

[Dr_Amazak]

The best solution:

Clap handz pay attention to our complaints!!! We need better tournament selection, bring our old pals back to the game!!!

~or~

Purchase minna no golf 5 instead of making additional accounts. Plenty of tournaments, and a whole new challenge awaits you!!! You can play minna when you have no tourneys on HSG, rather than making additional accounts.



See, that's why ClapHanz isn't going to do anything concearning the g0/g1 tourney situation. They know they'll sell more copies of Minna because they know that we know that it's much better over there. IT'S BRILLIANT MARKETING!


~or~ the best solution of all????

Combine the japan server and HSG to one, with language selection chosen when you go online! Then it would be a WONDERFUL game!!!!

Okay, I am done complaining now. ;D



Yeah, and I'd also get my ass handed to me a lot lol. :P

[yunatidus4ever]

P.S. The 2nd worst thing is the Chuckie Cheese-like lobbies with fruity little freaks running around kicking a soccer ball and hopping around like Russian spongefarmers. They should have an over 21 Lobby with a bar, big screen tv's, stripper poles and bouncers. You should be able to throw beer mugs and have the bouncers crack you with a poolstick if you get to close to the dancers.
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oh yeah, forgot to mention the worst thing about the game is actually the perverts who play!!! I mean honestly, my kids, my nephew and us women play this game too. Another stupid comment from another stupid pervert!!!

[Optimus_Prime]

Yuna, I think it was just a joke. I think! lol But I do agree that the lobbies and in-between hole screens are sometimes littered with a few too many immature jokes and rude people. It doesn't really happen that often, but enough that I don't let my kids watch me too much in the lobbies.

I also agree that SCEA, SCEE, and Clap Hanz gotta get off their butts and get the same features that Minna has onto our server. It's the only way to stem the flow of quality players going to Minna or simply leaving altogether. :'(

[interyernan]

Prime, i'm not even a "quality player" and i've gone over to the minna side, i managed to get 40 mins in this afternoon whilst the lad was taking a nap. I played 3, yes 3 G1 tourneys in that time. As one ended i managed to jump straight into another. The variety was great, 9h out dino park intermediate rough +2, 9hout oceania with toro sand +2 and a straight 9hin peaks with alex. There were also about 8 tournies running every hour for EVERY grade!

[Optimus_Prime]

Man, I am so tempted to get Minna. But I feel like other than the crazy amount of people playing on the JP server, it's nothing the intl server can't have if Sony and Clap Hanz weren't so lazy. I just don't know if it's worth buying essentially the same game again. I've bought way too many new games in the past month or so, and I'm playing enough HSG already to feel like I'm not getting my money's worth from my new games. Man, I need the winter holidays to get here sooner so I have more game time!

Here are the games I've bought recently: LittleBigPlanet, Motostorm: PR, Mirror's Edge, Dead Space, BIA: HH, Socom, NBA 2K9, and Valkyria Chronicles. Many are still wrapped because the little time I have outside of work and family is spent on HSG! :o Please Sony/Clap Hanz, pay attention to our server to make it more worthwhile! (And please someone admit me to some hospital for videogame collecting addicts. :D )

[interyernan]

Prime you are not alone, here is my list if games (forgive the OCD) in alphabetical order:

Assassin's Creed, Bioshock, Bourne Conspiracy, Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, Civilization Revolution, Clive Barker's Jericho, Colin McRae Dirt, Condemned 2, Dead Space, Darkness, Dark Sector, Devil May Cry 4, Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, Everybodys Golf: World Tour, Far Cry 2, Fallout 3, Grand Theft Auto IV, Haze, Heavenly Sword, Hot Shots Golf: Out Of Bounds, Lego Batman, Lego Indiana Jones, Lego Star Wars, Little Big Planet, Medal Of Honour Airbourne, Metal Gear Solid 4, Minna No Golf 5, Orange Box, Pro Evolution Soccer 2008, Pro Evolution Soccer 2009, Prince Of Persia, Ratchet & Clank: Tools Of Destruction, Resistance: Fall Of Man, Resistance 2, Silent Hill Homecoming, Siren Blood Curse, Soul Calibur IV, Tomb Raider Underworld, Tom Clancy Ghost Recon 2, Tom Clancy Rainbow Six Vegas, Tom Clancy Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Tom Clancy Splinter Cell Double Agent, Uncharted: Drakes Fortune, Unreal Tournament III, Virtua Tennis 3 & Warhawk.

Everything in bold i've got in the last 2 months but i seem to have an obsession of buying the games, getting all excited and then still coming home and sticking in either EGWT or minna.

[Optimus_Prime]

Holy cow, int. You got me beat by like 10 games! If it weren't for kids, our wives woulda left us by now. ;D

[I hate attys]

P.S. The 2nd worst thing is the Chuckie Cheese-like lobbies with fruity little freaks running around kicking a soccer ball and hopping around like Russian spongefarmers. They should have an over 21 Lobby with a bar, big screen tv's, stripper poles and bouncers. You should be able to throw beer mugs and have the bouncers crack you with a poolstick if you get to close to the dancers.



oh yeah, forgot to mention the worst thing about the game is actually the perverts who play!!! I mean honestly, my kids, my nephew and us women play this game too. Another stupid comment from another stupid pervert!!!

Sorry to offend you, Tipper Gore, but if you read the post, it said "OVER 21" and 99.9% of people would realize it was meant in jest. I've seen some of the rude talk in the lobbies and there's immature jerks in all online games. I don't take part in such activities and wouldn't consider myself a "pervert." After all, I am a respected member of the community as I am a medical doctor that specializes in proctology. And, I have only been on three episodes of Dateline NBC and I explained to Chris Hanson each time that I was only there because I love homemade cookies.
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[clint_westwood]

P.S. The 2nd worst thing is the Chuckie Cheese-like lobbies with fruity little freaks running around kicking a soccer ball and hopping around like Russian spongefarmers. They should have an over 21 Lobby with a bar, big screen tv's, stripper poles and bouncers. You should be able to throw beer mugs and have the bouncers crack you with a poolstick if you get to close to the dancers.



oh yeah, forgot to mention the worst thing about the game is actually the perverts who play!!! I mean honestly, my kids, my nephew and us women play this game too. Another stupid comment from another stupid pervert!!!

Sorry to offend you, Tipper Gore, but if you read the post, it said "OVER 21" and 99.9% of people would realize it was meant in jest. I've seen some of the rude talk in the lobbies and there's immature jerks in all online games. I don't take part in such activities and wouldn't consider myself a "pervert." After all, I am a respected member of the community as I am a medical doctor that specializes in proctology. And, I have only been on three episodes of Dateline NBC and I explained to Chris Hanson each time that I was only there because I love homemade cookies.

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the tipper gore comment kinda lost you any argument /valid point that you may have had...


shame

[yunatidus4ever]

Well, I kinda got lost somewhere in that one.... does being a doctor make you a better person who goes to strip clubs? Does being a doctor make you any LESS of a pervert? Does that even make any sense? I could care less what you do for a living. Call me what you will, but oh by the way, not only are there young ones playing the game, but also young ones who are regestered to this website.... who can read comments such as yours.... there is even 10 year old G0's.... um...who are not doctors?.... and don't need to think that to be "cool" they must visit bars with strippers...

~ Tipper Gore

[clint_westwood]

well said indeed

[Roughdawg4]

I wouldn't say being cool is going to strip clubs. But there is something nice about giving a women money her rubbing up all over you and then leaving with no questions asked. I don't need a 2nd wife :)



Besides, its our duty to put these women through college :)

[clint_westwood]

i went to a strip club when i was younger and it did nothing for me tbh

i dont really get it!!

[jk125]

The worst thing about HSG is the on-line toureys. sometimes its extremely difficult to find a non GF tourney to play or atleast one that has prizes.

Game rooms really help but aren't quite the same

[I hate attys]

I didn't realize we had such a sensitive bunch with zero sense of humour and no capacity for detecting sarcasm and/or "tongue in cheek" comments. BTW, nowhere did I say it was "cool" to go to a strip club. Unless you think it's cool to drop a couple c-notes, get cracked in the head with a stiletto, and shot at in the parking lot by Adam "Pacman" Jones. If it makes y'all feel better, I'm sorry I suggested the "Over-21" Lobby. Go ahead and scratch that idea and instead they should have a lobby that you can call "Over G-Rating." That means you can join if your I.Q. is higher than your HSG Grade Level Rating. That should keep some of the riff-raff here out of there. I'm sure Tipper's husband could help us start this new lobby. After all, he did invent the internet so this should be a piece of cake.

Mod edit: Please, don't direct attack/offend other players by name.

[stillsing]

Dr. Rosensinep??? the famous proctologist ??? are u that Dr. rosennisep??

[interyernan]

Can we all get back on topic please - this thread is "Worst thing about HSG5".
I'd have to say that this appears to be among one of the worst things about the game. Freedom of speech is a great thing but when it can be used to offend others be it via a forum like this or more to the point when you are sitting in a lobby wating for a tournament and a complete stranger starts giving you abuse or talking rubbish to you, it can spoils the enjoyment of the game. If only people could show each other a little more respect in the lobbies regarless of grade/pb's/screen names it would make a truly great game into an excellent one.

[I hate attys]

LOL Ed. I do remember seeing that Dr. Rosenrosen or whatever his name was in HSG4. I guess I will humbly abide by those that have asked me to "clean up my posts." I guess I made the mistake of hurting someone's feelings that makes over 30 posts a day and has an itchy trigger finger for crying to the moderator about a simple comment that obviously struck too close to home. Well, after two weeks and 6 posts, this is my last post. So enjoy your incredibly amusing posts about how many tv's you have and how big they are and how everyone that is better than you must be cheating.

The only sad thing is that someone wasn't able to put a muzzle on W Bush like this about 8 years ago. I think we can all agree on that.

[Roughdawg4]

So one person asks you to clean up your posts and this is your last post?



And why would you want to put a muzzle on Bush, he has made so many new contributions to the dictionary.

[MasonR]

Good riddance.

IMO, the rabbit & turtle thing is the worst thing about this game.

and how everyone that is better than you must be cheating.

Now I know you didn't say >cheaters<, but it's hilarious to see you whine about something and then make a remark about others complaining, as if you aren't doing the same thing.

[PyramidHead]

Worst thing is the Rabbit/Turtle easily. Someone sinks an eagle putt on the 18th hole in a novice only tourney and beats me by a stroke cause they shanked on purpose to reach green!? Point is, if you're shanking on purpose you don't deserve that eagle.

BTW, Attys just has a crazy sense of humor. Anyone who stuck with HSG4 can tell you that. I've never read a post of his without literally laughing out loud. Shame the way things go here.

Think what you will...

[MasonR]

Point is, if you're shanking on purpose you don't deserve that eagle.

How do you figure that? I mean, do you have a logical argument? It's a shot that takes skill and practice to make useful, so you mean to say that someone who has taken it upon themselves to learn a new game mechanic in an effort to better their game is undeserving of good scores?

Sounds to me that you're just sore for no good reason.

[mustangman2011]

turtles rabbits can go for anyone trad, adv, novice, expert, g0, g3, so its fair game as i'm concerned

[PyramidHead]

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[MasonR]

I called it a game mechanic because that's exactly what it is. It's been implemented in the last two installments in place of the rocketball and rocketshot (and as you don't seem to be aware of it, it CAN be used with Trad in OOB, don't know why people automatically assume it can't).

You sound like nothing more than a sore loser who's falling back on this issue to explain his inability to win. "Some bums," that's funny, considering the majority of people who play the game use it. I don't want to hear that you only lost because someone was using the technique and they had an "unfair" advantage, that's being a sore loser. If you were good enough in the first place then losing an occasional tournament to someone who was able to reach a par 5 because they used a shank shouldn't matter too much in the first place. Everyone loses tournaments, people lose more than they win in golf as well as in this particular game. Just because you were finally in contention and lost to someone who was better than you in that tournament, you don't have the right to whine like a child about it. They used a normally functioning aspect of gameplay to their advantage and beat you. Deal with.

Sorry you don't like it, but this is the direction the game developers took as far as power is concerned in this game and HSG OT2. They are legitimate shots and were in no way "accidentally" programmed into the game. No one is forcing you to use, but if you don't you might have to make up for it in other ways while playing, making things more difficult.

As for HSG4, I played that as well, can't remember seeing you there. Live in the past all you want, the series has moved on.

And I certainly won't be PMing you about the issue.

[Marrow_Farmer]

I have recently started employing the rabbit shot (can't do turtles) and I must say it's not that easy. A little late and you don't get the distance or line you want, a little early and your screen flashes (as if you don't know you've messed up) and your 100 yards away behing a big bush! Then the worst one, you aim to the left and hit it straight aaaaaargh!

That stupid rabbit has cost me more shots in the last few weeks than it has gained!

At least I know that people employing it of are doing it with the same equipment as me (not like that poxy Tiger Woods thing where I had to buy a turbo button type controller just to stand a chance online). >:(

[BGunner]

turtles rabbits can go for anyone trad, adv, novice, expert, g0, g3, so its fair game as i'm concerned


Incorrect - trad cannot turtle/rabbitwith the accuracy and total distance advantage that adv can - the shanks are inconsistent with trad - hit in the same place on the meter ten times and the shots will vary widely.

[reeja19]

The rabbit/turtle might be easy in practice, but when your tied for 1st in a g0 going to 18 on crown long tee and you need a perfect rabbit to get in position to make eagle, it isn't very easy at all. Last night had a 1 stroke lead going to 18, wanted to hit a baby rabbit, over did it went into rough, made birdie, shoinan executed the shot, made eagle and beat me in points. There is nothing easy about it. I was one who argued against it alot on gamefaqs about 4 months ago, but it is built into the game and I eventually came around to the idea that it wasn't put there on accident. If you choose not to do it, good for you, but when you lose because other people are able to execute shots that you can't/won't, then learn to deal with losing.

[the_smug_one]

People who continue to whine about the "fairness" of rabbits / turtles are people who don't have the ability (or haven't invested the time to learn how) to pull these shots off successfully. The sensitivity of your timing for a rabbit / turtle is actually <b>much</b> greater than that required when trying for PI, since the resulting angle / trajectory of rabbit / turtle shots changes dramatically if your timing is the least bit off.

[MasonR]

Incorrect - trad cannot turtle/rabbit with the accuracy and total distance advantage that adv can - the shanks are inconsistent with trad - hit in the same place on the meter ten times and the shots will vary widely.

I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion, but it's wrong. I don't mean to belittle your experience with Trad...but this was a bit too much.

If the distance increase is inconsistent it's a product of you comparing FULL power shots against one another, and there's a big variance 25 yards or more, when screwing with FULL shots. Example, Sophie with Big Mag/Inf, red power and full rabbit, all the resulting shots end up in the same area (within a yard or so of each other), at about 270.

As for the accuracy statement, about the shanks being inconsistent in terms of their line. Maybe it's because you're used to sacrificing a lot of control for more power to keep up, but that's only a product of the Control stat, not the rabbit/turtle. The same way FULL power can skew distance results, it can also skew accuracy results due to the loss in Control as well as the big distance variation.

I really advise you going to the practice range and hitting several dozen shanks with Trad before you reply (with Red power, please), you'll see for yourself firsthand.

The only differences between Trad rabbits and turtles and Adv is that you get less of an overall boost, and at times you'll have less room to turtle than you will to rabbit, any other difference is a product of user error or a bad control stat.

[PyramidHead]

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[MasonR]

Good to see you completely fail again, there was someone else who used that argument in the past, and it's just as moronic now as it was before.

Rabbits/turtles have been implemented in not only HSGOOB, but in HSG OT2 as well. The original Open Tee didn't have the power shank, but guess what? The sequel sure as hell did. HSG4 didn't have the power shank, but guess what, HSG5 does.

Do you REALLY think it's an accident that TWO HSG titles that came out have had this feature but lacked the previous "special shanks" that were seen in the games that directly preceeded them? Really? Not only that, but considering the game engine for OT and OT2 are the same, with the exception that they ADDED the power shank to the game and took out the rocketball and skyball. They also capped distance at 300 (before attire is factored in) instead of the the 330+ that was seen in the first Open Tee game, maybe because the distance can be found elsewhere? That's not an accident, ****ing duh.

You're really underestimating the intelligence of game programmers. You can fall back on what the loading screen says all you want, it just makes you look more ignorant about the issue. You don't, in any way, think that it might've been a hint to try shanking the ball purposely? I mean, we all know that if you hit a terrible shot in golf it's going to be a terrible shot. You might as well follow that message up with "Finish a hole in one stroke for a hole in one!" loading screen, since we're just trying to be deadfully obvious about how the game works. Games haven't always told you everything, there's a name for that kinda stuff...a secret! What a fascinating revelation! These people know what they're doing and the fact that they've done it now in two separate installments only stengthens the case that it was intentional, as if it wasn't obvious enough.

Sorry I don't feel like PMing you either, I don't know why you're so set on talking about the issue in PMs considering that's what this topic is about in the first place. I could care less about the attention, it seems to me that you're running out of piss poor arguments and you're just trying to switch the issue to me supposedly wanting attention. If I really wanted attention from people there are better ways to go about it than arguing with some kid about his inability to realize that the game is functioning as it was intended to.

[the_smug_one]

Boycotting rabbits / turtles is no different than boycotting risers, both are stupid ideas.

As for the loading screen, I don't have the game handy but I believe it says you need to be careful when using full power mode (blue flame) only. My interpretation of this note was simply that blue flame gives off a random distance (0-25 yards) so it really is that much more difficult to tell where your blue flame shots are going to go.

And as Mace mentioned, it wouldn't have made <b>any</b> sense for a "glitch" to have slipped into two very different OOB and OT2 versions of the game, particularly given that <b>OT2 doesn't even have an advanced swing.</b> Riddle me that one...

[stillsing]

So insulting other members (ignorant,moron,etc) is cool but mention the stripper pole and its good riddance??

[PyramidHead]

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[Roughdawg4]

Atty left on his own free will. He was asked only to clean up his posts and then he decided to leave. I am not trying to argue just post the facts :)

[Roughdawg4]

I use rabbit/turtle but honestly I wish it wasn't in the game. I wish we could just play the game normally without having to do this to win.


I am not saying I don't agree with it or cheating, I am just saying I just wish it wasn't in the game.

[MasonR]

I'm convinced you wouldn't be able to argue using PMs anyway, as you've done NOTHING to counter any of the points I made. Why would you be able to do it over a PM and not here? What the hell is wrong with the forum? If your points are so great you might be able to sway some people who use the technique from doing so, but considering that not only have you failed to bring up more than this loading message for your eveidence (to which I responded), but you've also failed to bring any logical evidence any of my arguments, I doubt you'd have any success.

All you said in the last response was "omg are u serious?" about me claiming it was a secret. What kind of response is that? You've never seen secret techniques that a game doesn't tell you about? NEVER? Are YOU serious?

Not ONCE did you say "Oh, this is just my opinion..." you had been stubbornly whining about the use of the technique, calling other people bums because they use it, and acting as if they were cheating, and claiming that it's the "worst thing about HSG5". If you had said "I don't like it but whatev" it would have been one thing, but you had to sit and whine about it because your refusal to use it puts you at a disadvantage. Heads up buddy, the worst thing about HSG5 who decide to moan and whine about how other people are playing the game. This isn't TW, we're not using turbo controllers, this isn't OT2, no one is using a cheat device to hack a HIO on each hole for themselves.

You want everyone to think you're so bleeping smart

Again, this has nothing to do with what we're talking about. I could give a flying **** about what others think of me, that's not why I'm here and that's not why I play the game.

Again this is another perfect example of you having nothing to counter any of the points I've made. If you actually had an argument you might want to try expressing your points instead of asking me "am i serious" in response to a perfectly legit point (that some features in games aren't told to you by the game or the manual).


So insulting other members (ignorant,moron,etc) is cool but mention the stripper pole and its good riddance??

Notice that not once did I get on his case about the stripper pole.

In short: You've done nothing to argue any of the points I've made, you might want to give that a try.

[the_smug_one]

I really don't understand why this should be settled via PMs in the first place. It's an open discussion topic, nobody is "showing off".

As I look at Pyramid's last response, it's clear that he doesn't address a single point in Mace's post (or mine, for that matter). I also don't understand all the huffing and puffing without anything substantive to back it up. I mean come on, why not try debating the topic like a non-12 year old?

[PyramidHead]

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[MasonR]

Very nice decision to remove all that moronic garbage of which most of your posts consisted. Not only does it save people from losing brain cells, but it also shows how you lack any sort of conviction, again proving one of my points. I still think it's hilarious that you can't come up with anything though, maybe next time you're so very adamant about an issue you'll think a little bit more (or at all) about using examples and evidence to support your own case and countering the other persons.

And for the record, try reading next time, I never said you called anyone bums in your first post, but you DID say this.


Point is, if you're shanking on purpose you don't deserve that eagle.

Right there, as if you have ANY room to tell people what they do and do not deserve scorewise concerning this game.

In summation, it's an absolute fact that rabbits/turtles were intentionally programmed into the game in place of the previous special shank shots. I've supplied a heap of evidence to support this while you've supplied absolutely nothing that contradicts it.

[Roughdawg4]

Well actually you don't really know if Clap Hanz programmed that on purpose or not. I don't think you can assume anything when it comes to them ;)

[MasonR]

There's a difference between assuming something and realizing when a series has taken a different direction on a special shot.

I mean, were rocketball and skyball intentionally programmed in? Yes. Rabbits/turtles are clearly the next step in that shank shot progression. I don't see how someone can acknowledge that those shots were intentional and yet not the rabbit/turtle shots, considering both preceeding games used the former, and the next games in line use the latter.

If I find an official statement (doubt it would be in english considering how little attention we get though), I'll post it.


Here's something from shi's site concerning OT2, now he's not a Clap Hanz employee but he's got more interaction with Clap Hanz than the rest of us.

"Clap Hanz decided that Skull Shots are too over powered to keep in game so have replaced it with the Rabbit and Turtle shots from Mingol5"

http://mingol.shihiko.net/?page_id=26

Should I also bring up that the rabbit/turtle icons are used in Everybody's/Hot Shots Tennis? I mean, are we really going to believe that all of this was unintentional?

[ElectroFox]

Forgot to ask this earlier, what does Shank mean?

[kumanzc]

In real golf it generally means when you swing and you hit the ball with the shaft of the club or part of the shaft rather than the blade causing your ball to shoot out quite a bit sideways rather than straight. Here, it is a turtle/rabbit.

[MasonR]

Yeah, it's used improperly here, we should be calling hit a miss-hit.

A shank is a shot that comes off the hosel, or neck of the club and goes damn near 90 to the right (or left for a southpaw). Also known as "El hosel", "the rights", and a variety of other names.

[ElectroFox]

Ok I see. Looked up the dictionary but no use. Thanks

[Roughdawg4]

Yeah, it's used improperly here, we should be calling hit a miss-hit.

A shank is a shot that comes off the hosel, or neck of the club and goes darn near 90 to the right (or left for a southpaw). Also known as "El hosel", "the rights", and a variety of other names.



Lol I always like the el hosel.

[kumanzc]

In this game, I think rabbit/turtle is really more of a hook or slice, something in the pink circle that is not PI being a draw or fade and the skull could be more representative of a shank.

[PyramidHead]

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[MasonR]

You've got to be ****ing kidding me.


It's probably been in the last two installments cause CH hired a new programmer. Someone without much experience?

You're officially the most ignorant person I've spoken with on the entire internet. You REALLY think that this was all an accident?

I've offered plenty of evidence to prove my point, I can't wait to get my hands on the official statement (I'll expect you to cry about it being in japanese, but that can't be helped) so you can sell this game off. You're a terrible player who is trying too hard to fall back on a single excuse for why he's not winning.

[interyernan]

Suggestion: Why don't you two meet up online in a game room and play a matchplay game using headsets. That way you can discuss it with each other and mason can if not teach) then at least show the benefits of using the "extreme" shots as i like to call them.

I like most don't like the ability to rabbit and turtle but having played in game rooms with some of the better players on the game, Urr, Overlord, Mace, Jess, Cars, Sho to name but a few and have witnessed how the need to perfect them was a bonus that if executed correctly could assist my game further. Saying that i'm greatful for having the opportunity to play in the game rooms with these guys cause, i'll openly admit it - they are a lot better than i am, and in practicing with them i in turn have got better and am now a slightly more competetive G0 than i used to be. I don't rabbit and turtle every round (and i still havent got the turtle down completely) but on certain holes it has been helpful.

Wheres the love guys - remember it's nearly Christmas.

[the_smug_one]

I bet Mace was the one who programmed rabbits / turtles into the last two HSG installments (well actually 3 installments, counting the tennis game)! </conspiracy theory>

Seriously pyramid, listen to yourself. This "error by a new programmer" argument sounds a whole hell of lot more outlandish than the idea that they removed characters' abilities to hit ~330 yards and the rocket/flop shot systems and replaced them with 300 yard-max drives and rabbits / turtles. You say this argument is between you and Mace and that he's making it personal (despite plenty of personal attacks I've seen from you) - but honestly, I find it really frustrating that your entire argument rests on the fact that rabbits and turtles must have been a mistake, that people using them don't deserve their wins, and that anyone who believes otherwise is an idiot.

[cars123456789]

i got to say that i was against the rabbit shot but then i relised that at times in the game u need it like std clubs and ball at crown hole 6 and 7 it helps and yes it a lot harder than getting pi think people should stop wineing about rabbits try it u may get better, lol, and think people shoukld give mace a bit more respect with what hes done for this game and minna,

[PyramidHead]

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[MasonR]

Sure it was.

As for the grow up comment, whatever you say child. Piss and moan all you want, rabbit/turtle was intentionally programmed in, you've done nothing to counter any points that ANYONE has made here, all you've done is said "nuh uh!" and called me conceited/arrogant. I'll say the same thing that I said to the last loser who called me arrogant, it may be true, but that doesn't mean I'm not right. Take your pent-up angsty teen frustration elsewhere.

[the_smug_one]

Your logic is about as sound as your sarcasm in this thread, so it's a bit difficult to parse the two out.

[Roughdawg4]

I would like to see something on it if you can find once mace about it being intentional because I don't 100% believe that it is intentional, more or less something about the mechanics that they didn't really care to fix or maybe didn't even really see as a problem.


I mean at this point we can say g0 scheudling sucks because they intentionally wanted it to. It has been this way for what 6-8 months now and there is no reason to see it change now. Or we could assume Clap Hanz doesn't really care enough to change it.



The small percentage of me that believes that the rabbit/turtle is not intentional is Hot Shots Golf has always drawn me in on the reality of the gameplay. Okay knocking a 3WD with SBS might not exactly be reality, but the rest of the gameplay is. Unlike Tiger Woods where you can adjust the ball in mid flight.

[PyramidHead]

And what proof have you had? NONE! The damn rabb/turtle is in the game to show too late, too fast. Not extra yards. That's my GD opinion, and you have yours. Neither of us have concrete proof. Until we do, you haven't proved s*** a****le!

[PyramidHead]

Also, you keep saying I suck at the game, looking for excuses. It isn't about me being better. I've seen you play. I KNOW you're better than me. I'm fine with that. You're missing my point.

[reeja19]

Why is proof needed, the game was programmed the way it is so obviously it was intentional. Don't you think the people that made the game are aware of this issue and if it wasn't intentional it would have been addressed in an update by now.

I mean come on this is the most ridiculous thing I've heard lately. I felt the same way about rab/tur at first, but common sense tells me things that affect game play as much as this does would have been addressed if it wasn't supposed to be that way. We all understand you don't like it, but it doesn't make you better than anybody else because you choose not to use it. It also doesn't make anyone that chooses to play with this style a cheater. A cheater is someone who does something against the RULES and there is no rule saying you can't play with rab/tur.

[the_smug_one]

While this certainly doesn't provide an answer to the "was it intentional" debate re: rabbits / turtles, I did come across an interview with the head creative developer of the game that I thought was interesting. In particular, I was surprised to see how many different swing types they looked at in coming up with the new advanced swing:

<i>The concept of the Advanced Shot system was a swing system that feels closer to a real golf swing. We made and tried various prototypes - about ten in total - and chose the current method and refined it during the various stages of development to get to what you see in the game. </i>

[Roughdawg4]

You are saying it is common sense, I don't really see that. Is there a tutorial on it? Is there a screenshot explaining it?


No. You have to figure it out for yourself so I think alot of casual players will never be aware of this. I think if you are going to include something that can have a big effect on your golf game should somehow be conveyed to the masses so everyone knows how it works. Right now most of us learned this from other people online.


What about people that don't go online, where do they learn it from?

[Roughdawg4]

Like I have said before, if this was intentional, Clap Hanz did an extremely poor job of letting everyone know about it.

[MasonR]

Take your meds, psycho.

I HAVE offered proof. The fact that I've not yet dug up an official statement (which is stupidly difficult to find for ANY game, you twit) doesn't mean I haven't offered proof. I've cited examples from multiple games, trends that have shown true for the last two installments for both PSP and the latest console games. I might piss a few people off with this next comment, but who cares. I honestly believe that if you can't wrap your head around the fact that rabbit/turtle was intentional, I think you've got a screw or two loose upstairs.

Why does it ONLY work for 1w in power mode? Was it accidental that a technique that gives you more distance only works with a driver in power mode? Are you that ****ing dense?

Is it just a coincidence that CH removed the previous shank shots and just programmed a different style of shank that is executed in the same manner as the previous ones? Really?

Is it just a coincidence that this technique has made an appearance in the last two installments? Of which one uses the exact same game engine as the game before it with the exception of the rabbit/turtle shot? Protip people, game developers are smarter than you when it comes to creating games, things on a scale this big that work without ANY sort of problem occuring in the game are not accidents, they are finely programmed aspects of how the game works.

You have not only not offered proof, you have offered NOTHING for your side of the argument, aside from the ridiculously moronic loading message comment. While I have offered PLENTY of evidence to support and prove my point. Don't put us in the same boat concerning the argument, because you've done NOTHING at all to support your "opinion" (fun fact: an opinion isn't an opinion if it contradicts facts).

And I know you know I'm better than you, but thanks.


What about people that don't go online, where do they learn it from?

That japanese Minna No Golf Guidebook? And for that matter, where does anyone learn anything from games if they don't have the internet? I don't see how that's a supportive statement for the dissenting side.

[KRONZZZ]

LOL wow what a discussion .. For me personally i have yet to use either rabbit or turtle intentionally but thats just me. I have pulled off a few g0 wins just playing my style and consider myself pretty competitive in g0 so far doing that. But to the lads who use turtles and rabbits to better there game and get a slight advantage all the power to em, I dont find that to be cheating at all actually i find it to be pretty skillfull to risk that when its all on the line and my hat gos off to them for having the nads to attempt it. I have been trying in practice mode a bit to experiment with it and its very beneficial when pulled off properly but fatal when not. It all boils down to consistency to be a top player in my opinion, not the fact you can squeeze an edge with a rabbit/turtle

[reeja19]

I have sent a message in japanese to claphanz so we shall see if I get a response.

Here is the message:

こんにちは、

私はMinna に関する質問を有するまたは熱い打撃によっては5ゲームがゴルフをする。 力モードを使用して加えられた間隔を得る方法が衝突ウサギかカメあり。 使用されるためにゲームにプログラムされたこれはこうすればだったまたはそれはプログラミングのエラーか。 であるか。 私はまた同じ会社がインターナショナルおよび日本サーバーを両方扱う疑問に思ったりまたは別に扱われたこれ らかどうかであるか。 これらの質問との全然どの助けでも非常に認められる。

ありがとう、

ジェイソン

Basically asking if it was intentional or not and whether our server is handled by the same company as the one that handles japans server, we shall see. ???

[PyramidHead]

What you're saying is an opinion dude, not fact. That's why this argument is going. You keep trying to state your opinion as fact. Unless you work for CH, shove it. And I've offered plenty. Youre just too gullable to see it.

[Roughdawg4]

There is no facts with either side of the argument.

Facts as defined in the dictionary a truth known by an experince or reality.


Your argument is based on a reasonable assumption but no facts. Facts is having a comment from the developer saying it was done on purpose or accident. No one else is downplaying the argument man, but you don't need to attack everyone else for their opinion. Along with this being my opinion :)

[Roughdawg4]

Okay now this is a fact, we need to stop the bantering. Both of you have argued and it isnt going to change anything so lets cool down :)

[BGunner]

(fun fact: an opinion isn't an opinion if it contradicts facts).



What? Opinions and facts are completely different things - For example: some people believe that Adam and Eve actually existed and we are all related to them - that's an opinion that obviously is not a fact, but it's an opinion regardless whether or not based upon fiction or fact. I could believe in Santa Claus as my opinion regardless of definitive proof against his existence, yet I still have my opinion despite it being false.

You guys should agree to disagree, because I know both you somewhat and you both yearn for the last word, there isn't a last word because you both have your own polarly opposite opinions.

[BeEmerson]

It doesn't matter whether the rab/turt shots were intentionally programmed or not. They do offer more distance with a proportional ammount of added risk. It all balances out from my perspective.

It's true that many games contain exploits that can be abused which is a factor that gets magnified in an on-line environment. I have quit playing such games in the past, many FPSs, and moved on to something else from getting shot through walls or spawn camped way too much. This is different. Its all offense in golf. No one can walk up to your lie and kick the ball into the water.

It would be a shame if PyramidHead quit playing this fantastic game because of the gameplay choices others are making. I personally don't use the the "power shank" that often but I do realize that it's being used heavily and some are really good at it. My game is predicated on safe play which means I often sacrafice distance to stay out of trouble. As a result I have to make alot of longer than average putts which always puts me at the lowest point total for whatever scoring group i'm in. I still manage to do some major damage.

My suggestion to P-head would be to continue to work within your gameplan and own it as best you can. I still think a "faiways and greens" mentality can lead to more victories than pure nutsack.

[Roughdawg4]

I still think a "faiways and greens" mentality can lead to more victories than pure nutsack.



I think this is very important because you can choose not to use it and still win. A master of the fairways is a great mentality to have :)

[the_smug_one]

Bgunn -- pretty sure the point Mace was making in his "an opinion isn't an opinion..." statement was that some opinions can be more qualified than others. Totally agree with the concept that neither side to the argument can be proven true or false, but it's fair to say that Pyramid hasn't really shown any support for his argument.

For me, the fact that rabbits / turtles only work with a driver and the fact that driver distance was suddenly capped at 300 yards in both OOB and OT2 suggest that this was intentional. But that's just my partially qualified opinion (partially qualified in that it is based on more than the idea that "I think it's true, so it's gotta be true").

[MasonR]

And I've offered plenty. Youre just too gullable to see it.

What the **** are you talking about?

Aside from the loading message you've offered NOTHING.


RD, I apologize if I offended you but that's how I feel, this is so cut and dry it's not even funny, and I'm surprised it's even up for debate in the first place.

As for the opinions versus facts topic, you CAN have an opinion that directly contradicts facts, but that would make it an invalid opinion.

[BGunner]

Here's a fact - You don't need to use the shanks shots, I got to level 20 and have 45 G0 wins without ever using a rabbit or turtle.

Here is what I remind myself on those tough holes where I may not be able to reach for an eagle though others can reach: 99% of the time in international G0, 18 birdies will win, no eagles needed. Consistency wins, hit it straight, putt well, have a plan, you got a good chance.

[MasonR]

Sadly enough that's not the case against the jp players. 18 birds won't even crack the top half of the field in most cases.

[the_smug_one]

My head is starting to hurt from reading all of this, but I have to ask: how can one be too "gullable" to see / understand something? Gullable... really?

[Roughdawg4]

RD, I apologize if I offended you but that's how I feel, this is so cut and dry it's not even funny, and I'm surprised it's even up for debate in the first place.





I think I stopped being offended by your statements a few months ago ;)

[MasonR]

Well that's good, RD. ;D


I second smug's last post, btw.

[BGunner]

As for the opinions versus facts topic, you CAN have an opinion that directly contradicts facts, but that would make it an invalid opinion.



No, Mace, that does not make an opinion invalid. It would be your opinion that the "invalid" opinion is garbage, which is fine, but one's sense of what is correct or incorrect does not negate another's opinion.

Also, smug, what are you talking about with the "capped" distance? - prior versions of HSG always had a maximum distance (though unlimited distance would be nice), in fact in HSG4 it was 291 yards - so they added 9 yards to that without any of the extra shank distance.

It was obvious to me in the first round that I played this game that there was a mechanic to get some serious increased distance, otherwise you wouldn't have driving grid lines extending to 330 yds on holes. To say that ANYTHING in this game wasn't intentional is very naive. Even the glitches were intentional - why else would they put chairs and windows in the areas that you can only get to with a glitch. It's all 1's and 0's and every one of them is in there for a reason.

[PyramidHead]

This hasn't been about me being better or worse. I'm comfortable with my style of play. I HAVE on a few occasions lost a podium or better to someone using it. I think it's fair that I'm a little PO'd afterwards. It's competitive play. I'll admit I came off pretty harsh in the beginning against people using it, and I apologize. Maybe it will turn up as fact in Mace's response. I would hope not but I can't say.They made the game. The most convincing post for me though I think was BeEmerson's. He made a good point that I can accept.

[BGunner]

Sadly enough that's not the case against the jp players. 18 birds won't even crack the top half of the field in most cases.



As I clearly stated: 18 birds will win the vast majority of the time on the International server.

[the_smug_one]

BG - Fair point. I was thinking of the non-caps from OT1 (the most recent versioned I'd played prior to OOB). Didn't realize (actually, just didn't remember) there were caps in prior HSG installments.

[MasonR]

And as I clearly stated: Sadly enough that's not the case against the jp players. 18 birds won't even crack the top half of the field in most cases.

but one's sense of what is correct or incorrect does not negate another's opinion.

One's "sense" of what is correct or incorrect does not, but when an opinion contradicts a fact, it makes said opinion invalid. Let's not start with examples from religion please, a lot of people would probably be very offended if we went down that road.


Also, smug, what are you talking about with the "capped" distance? - prior versions of HSG always had a maximum distance (though unlimited distance would be nice), in fact in HSG4 it was 291 yards - so they added 9 yards to that without any of the extra shank distance.

Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee had max distances of 330y or more, that's what we were talking about. OT2 capped it at 300 and added rabbit/turtle.

[PyramidHead]

Off topic but... Are all the G0's on here? Cause the lobby is devoid of them atm. Enough with the texting, let's play!

[MasonR]

This place seems to be where everyone goes during work if they have computer access. I'd say most people that you see on the list at the home page are probably at work or not near their consoles. I mean, if you can't play HSG, why not fight about it in an online forum?

[Roughdawg4]

This hasn't been about me being better or worse. I'm comfortable with my style of play. I HAVE on a few occasions lost a podium or better to someone using it. I think it's fair that I'm a little PO'd afterwards. It's competitive play. I'll admit I came off pretty harsh in the beginning against people using it, and I apologize. Maybe it will turn up as fact in Mace's response. I would hope not but I can't say.They made the game. The most convincing post for me though I think was BeEmerson's. He made a good point that I can accept.



BeEmerson did make a good point and I liked it as well:) The thing is we might never know the inner workings of Clap Hanz. My only wish is that one of us can penetrate them to find out what they are doing to us. Come on man, shake up the variety of those g0 tournaments.



A little side track on this but I thought I remember someone saying Clap Hanz monitors the JP server and schedules it but they do not do the international server (big suprise there). So who is supposedly monitoring our server?

[interyernan]

Morpheus!

[interyernan]

He won't change the schedule until he makes G0 then he'll pick all the tournaments to suit his style of play and his time schedule.

[cartman1337]

LOL! Though any change at all would be nice. ;)

[p1um5mu991er]

ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that no one is monitoring the int'l server schedule. if someone was, they wouldn't allow hours between g0 tournaments.

and this and rabbits/turtles are still being discussed because...
in the words of col. trautman, "it's over, johnny"

we just have to live with it. it's none of our faults--we addicts try to fill tournaments up as much as possible. it's totally understandable that people are bailing for minna because they can enter a full tournament whenever they want.

[clint_westwood]

i played 3 g0 tours in minna this morning while getting ready for work ....its just jump jump jump

[ghost33]

not plannig on going to adv shots any time soon ive beat EVERY single hot shots golf gm mad nad i still own them all dating back to hot shot golf

[cramramdon]

Another trad army here, joining Gunner and a few others.

I'm getting to this fairly late, but it should be known that the ADV swing 15 yard advantage is NOT appreciated by some of us old school HSG players that have been playing the game for years. Its not only an advantage of distance but accuracy. Try missing impact using trad and keeping the ball on the fairway. If they made the new swing without these unfair advantages, then I wouldn't have much to bitch about other than the format, which is the only other thing I have had a problem with.

It was fun being able to make 50 room tournaments in HSG4. I remember staying up all night golfing that way. Now the only tournaments are ones that are made by what appears to be some automated programmed machine with lame special rules, various timers (I will usually time out on fast timer so am learning to avoid those tourny's altogether). I do like that people all use the same character, but I don't think it should always be mandatory.

Also the G-tournaments, or "tour" as I have seen it refered to, limits whom I golf with. I have made online HSG buddies, many of which are G0's now because I simply don't play the game as much. I am finding that the "tour" has sort of taken the game over. I just may retire from the tour altogether, not sure yet, but prefer the game rooms, so that is most likely where you will find me.

These are my opinions, and they will still be mine after whatever arguement/insults/posts or comments may come of it after this.

Peace and I will enjoy seeing you on the course.

[bsennett]

Gonna add my 2 cents...


If you are a gamer you know that something that has such a significant effect as the rabbit/turtle shot, whatever it is, was by design. Just about everything is there intentionally. Lots of time if it does something unadvertised chances are it was hidden to reward loyal players that scour every inch of a game. When it is a mistake you know the difference. Old-school computer geeks remember easter eggs. backdoors, etc. Love that stuff! Example:When playing a game like GTA the button/key combos that pull out cool stuff. Might not be best example but work with me.

. As far as shot selection, Coming over from tiger I prefer adv. For the "trad warriors" it is obvious. IF don't like the adv shot? Sorry if you wanna use adv sometimes but I have to use trad too, all part of the game. I understand that trad swing may differ from adv but did you ever think it might be . Being a newbie sux in any game but now we both have to learn something. Hmmm.

In summary, your opionion is yours and the idea is not to try and change it. The market drives game development and each game needs to not only be better than the previous version but be better than competitors. So if one golf game's NEW features is this kooky swing, all the manufacturers will need a similar feature keep up.

[Roughdawg4]

Well said, Well said :)

[The-Dreamcaster]

i never played trad, as this the first HSG/EG game i've ever played, so Advanced will probably become my traditional..
I saw the thread title and i thought, theres something bad about golf?
Rabbits and Turtle shots are so useful, it takes time/skill and practice to use em properly. i'm still learning to use em well, but getting better with em.

[Roughdawg4]

the rabbit/turtle shot has a very high risk/reward attached to it. Sometimes it can help perfect your round and other times you can ruin it just as fast.


If it was really easy, everyone would be doing it :)